tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post6133402562043988678..comments2024-03-29T02:29:51.872-05:00Comments on West End Dumplings: Wither Orioles ?Christian Cassidyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-10647499542795355482010-11-08T05:01:25.226-06:002010-11-08T05:01:25.226-06:00I live in West Broadway where for the last 13 year...I live in West Broadway where for the last 13 years the community has been dominated by this NDP Poverty Industry Branch Plant West Broadway Development Corporation. They don't help the poor, they help themselves, they are bullies with a sense of entitlement to tell us how to plan our communities and spend public funds. I hope that when the government changes that they are forced to get real jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-84292211456419723862010-11-08T04:59:08.777-06:002010-11-08T04:59:08.777-06:00I live in West Broadway and the West Broadway Deve...I live in West Broadway and the West Broadway Development Corporation (a Neighbourhoods Alive Agency, like DMSMCA)uses the same bullying tactics. I hope that when the government changes they stop funding horrible Agencies. They are bad for communities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-26261314466351811922010-10-27T06:00:03.715-05:002010-10-27T06:00:03.715-05:00Once Again the Neighbourhoods Alive Agencies are t...Once Again the Neighbourhoods Alive Agencies are trying to bully an entire community. Hard to believe that the Province gives them almost 1/2 Million per year to destroy communities. But, as the NA web site says, this is Economic Development, or what they hope will pass for it. These paid agents of the Provincial Governments need to get real jobs. I am tired of supporting all their projects through my tax dollars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-18612041894791634242010-10-13T20:26:53.227-05:002010-10-13T20:26:53.227-05:00Thanks for the great blog, Dumplings. Sad for the...Thanks for the great blog, Dumplings. Sad for the West End to see so many spiteful and petty comments! How can the community grow up when its members won't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-64068462743716198322010-09-29T16:25:45.018-05:002010-09-29T16:25:45.018-05:00Hi ,"this single spark",
If you would l...Hi ,"this single spark",<br /><br />If you would like, you can contact VCC and ask to have a message passed on to me, so we can discuss this further, or send an email to ararama@mts.net.<br /><br />Anneannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-84198704778748875692010-09-29T14:46:29.682-05:002010-09-29T14:46:29.682-05:00Just to clrify... I would like VCC to contact the ...Just to clrify... I would like VCC to contact the gardeners (rather than the other way around, which will be happening) for two reasons.<br /><br />1. DMSMCA has contacted the gardeners to let them know that they relocated and to invite them to the transition meeting. I would like to hear from VCC. I would like this, but don't expect it as it would mean VCC and DMSMCA were able to put differences aside and work together for the community, which doesn't seem possible at the moment.<br /><br />2. I would like VCC to contact us BECAUSE it would mean that the two groups were able to look past their differences. Which would mean that the garden had a hope of continuing.this single sparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06989839275012525627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-38946532727124887472010-09-27T14:53:52.079-05:002010-09-27T14:53:52.079-05:00mrchristian, I couldn't agree with you more!mrchristian, I couldn't agree with you more!Dominiquenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-14796262561052591222010-09-27T02:12:24.913-05:002010-09-27T02:12:24.913-05:00What would 1952 Miss Orioles Community Club think,...What would 1952 Miss Orioles Community Club think, indeed. I gathered that there was some personal animosity involved but this was quite a lesson.<br /><br />I guess on a 'sort of' bright note, whatever the poisonous relationship that existed between VCC and DMSCA is now over.<br /><br />If there really ARE folks on the VCC side and Orioles area residents that are willing to move on, perhaps something good can happen: i.e. lots of non DMSCA community programming at the centre with lots of community voluntters to come help out with it.<br /><br />I really hope both sides do not dig in and, like sad old war vets, relive this battle for years and years to come.Christian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-84061100424297421652010-09-27T01:03:57.372-05:002010-09-27T01:03:57.372-05:00Dominique, you may have talked to Marlene from gcw...Dominique, you may have talked to Marlene from gcwcc, but you did not talk to me, as you claimed in an earlier post. Like I said, i first learned this upon reading this blog. Call VCC and leave a number or your email, and you will get the info.<br /><br />As for your comment we don't care about the VCC oriole site, not true. I grew up in the Orioles Catchment area when I was a kid, and yes it was a great place to hang out. VCC has board members who also grew up in area, and know how things used to be. <br /><br />Before you point fingers about where money is going, perhaps you should ask the former president of Orioles, the one who allowed it to go into such disrepair, the one who was at the time, in charge of the funding for that particular site -- before she decided to join the amalgamation. And let me tell you, she dragged her feet until the last possible moment, and then all of a sudden was on board with going ahead. The rest of us at Valour would like to know that as well. To allow a community center to become that run down, and so badly in the red financially, is something we have questioned over and over. No, we didn't get answers either. The only thing we understood about that situation, was that there were only 3 volunteers trying to keep it open, but were failing. Again, ask the former president what happened. <br />I have a few questions for you Dominique- when orioles was going under, before the amalgamation, where were you? Did you offer to join the board then to help keep it open? When there was a public meeting held, to voice your opinion on the amalgamation, where were you, did you speak then? When Valour had its first agm, where were you? Did you attend, did you run for a position, no. How about the year after that, or event the one after that. Even this year, you could have run for a position, even nominated yourself - nothing wrong with that, it shows interest in a position. But you did not.<br /><br />As for the funding part with the Isaac Site. That was something in the works 4 years prior to the amalgamation itself. Yes Dominique, major projects take that long to get funded. <br /><br />Since the amalgamation, we have applied for funding to help with the Orioles Site, it took time for funding to come through for the outside, and yet even though we have a better looking playground area, there are still things that need attention. Like where the community gardens are. Again, funding is being applied for, but does not mean we will automatically get it, and if we do, it usually is not enough, as the funding has to be split between the other community centres in the city. Even with the funding we have for the interior, it is not enough to do a complete makeover. <br /><br />These kinds of things take time, and people such as yourself, VCC, and area residents, need to have patience. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for the VCC Orioles Site.annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-64711965977891054382010-09-26T23:04:19.950-05:002010-09-26T23:04:19.950-05:00Ann, you need to speak to Marlene over at the GCWC...Ann, you need to speak to Marlene over at the GCWCC and then tell me again that I didn't ask for that information.<br /><br />For the record, I don't have any volunteer ties to DMSMCA or the Bike Cage. I'm a community member who is fed up with the high handed tactics of the VCC. I've seen enough, heard enough and experienced enough to know the VCC doesn't give a rats behind about the Orioles community or its members.<br /><br />That's going to change.Dominiquenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-29045846007449481882010-09-26T22:20:56.976-05:002010-09-26T22:20:56.976-05:00Well D, I have seen the proof regarding the DMSMCA...Well D, I have seen the proof regarding the DMSMCA group and I can tell you that the only conspiracy theories are in your head.<br />You say you contacted the VCC president, what about the club manager? You didn't say to whom you made 4 phone calls, I happen to have made a few today myself.<br />There are lots of groups working quite harmoniously with the VCC, people that don't mind paying their rent, and suppling the necessary information that is legally required by the city for a group to occupy space in a community centre. I'm guessing that you are involved with either the DMSMCA group or the Bike Cage and if I'm correct, then I do know something about you. Saying that if you thought you would get voted in you would have run is just a bunch of B.S.! If you don't buy a lottery ticket it guarentees you won't win, but if you at least buy one you then have a chance, so you should have run for a position and if you didn't get in then you would have some ground to stand on. But playing the "if I thought" card doesn't wash. <br />As far as spreading hate vile paranoid theories, well you don't have a clue who I am and now you are being judgemental as well so take a big bite of hypocratic pie and try not to choke on your own words.<br />Prove me wrong and get involved,show me that I don't know what I'm talking about.I hope to see you at the next meeting and being announced as the new whatever in charge of whatever.<br />~GAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-28732816060629942452010-09-26T22:09:55.188-05:002010-09-26T22:09:55.188-05:00Mrchristian, very interesting blog, you have here....Mrchristian, very interesting blog, you have here. <br /><br />For those of you supporting VCC, thank you.<br /><br />Dominique, you say about 2 months ago you contacted the VCC president for info?<br /><br /> I can honestly say for sure, that you have most definitely NOT contacted the president of VCC for an outline of the programs we are offering at the VCC - Orioles Site, as if you had actually contacted the president of VCC for this information, it would have been given to you. In fact, if you would like to call VCC and leave your number, or email address, i would gladly make sure you have a list of programs being offered there. <br /><br />Anne -- VCC PRESIDENT :)annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-46472725806490303842010-09-26T21:40:28.861-05:002010-09-26T21:40:28.861-05:00G, you don't know the first thing about me and...G, you don't know the first thing about me and all your conspiracy ramblings are just a projection of your own paranoia.<br /><br />I was at the AGM, I have voting rights and I asked questions. I am an active volunteer in my community and if I thought I could have been voted into the VCC country club I would have ran for a seat. <br /><br />Almost two months ago I ask the current VCC president for an outline of the community programming that they will be offering at Orioles. Four phone calls later I still don't have anything indicating that there will be any programing offered, just a lot of excuses and lies.<br /><br />So keep on spreading your hate, vile and paranoid theories, the truth will come out no matter how hard you try to cover it up.Dominiquenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-74633455338316730722010-09-26T17:42:35.037-05:002010-09-26T17:42:35.037-05:00Well Dom, what questions did you ask at the meetin...Well Dom, what questions did you ask at the meeting? I was also there and I know that there were people in attendance that did not have voting rights as were indicated by the sticker residents who were able to vote wore and they were the ones asking questions. The purpose of the AGM was to elect a new board (how many positions did you run for?),and not as an open forum for uneducated people to stand on their soap boxes because they would rather do that then actually get involved and make a difference.<br />As for the doors at the Orioles Site being locked, well you can thank Kemlin,(I'm sure you know who that is) for that as she didn't want people coming in while her and her staff were there since they were women and it isn't a nice area. She would actually demand anyone coming in to produce a current criminal record check before allowing them in. I think you should get both sides before you start shooting your mouth off. It's ignorant, closed minded people such as yourself that can't see past their own little agendas. Get involved, there are vacant positions on the board or would that be asking too much from you? You seem to have some insight as to where the money is going, Hmmmmm, i think I smell a political rat here. Why not phone the VCC manager and ask what programming is happening at the Orioles Site? Now just because the programming there isn't something that interests you doesn't mean that there is no programming going on.<br />As for the building being run down, why don't you right a nice fat check and pay for the renos? That building was run down prior to the amalgamation, and was barely surviving, except for three board members that refused to give up(where were you during all of this?). All the renos at the Isaac Brock Site were in place years before the amalgamation. I suppose they could have made the Orioles Site the home for the football team,except there is no field there (or is that the fault of the VCC Board as well?). <br />Back to the AGM for a moment. If in fact you were there, the were also members from the City there as well. If you felt that there was a "direct violation of the Constitution" then that would have been a great time to call them out on it and demand that the City take action. Obviously the City is aware of how it all went down that night and they were o.k. with it. But I supposwe you are also one of those anti-government types that feel that everyone is watching them (too bad X-Files is not on anymore, you could probably write a script for them).<br />Again my advice "get involved and see first hand how things work before wasting peoples time with your absolute nonsense!" Good luck with that, I personally don't think you will, because it's easier to sit back and criticize than actually do anything about it.<br />~GlenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-26785454865742004242010-09-26T03:47:33.241-05:002010-09-26T03:47:33.241-05:00Wow. I just stumbled upon this blog and low and be...Wow. I just stumbled upon this blog and low and behold this post caught me eye. <br /><br />I was one of the "joe public" at the VCC AGM asking questions and told bold faced lies directly from the out going VCC board. During the AGM members of the Orioles community tried to put forward motions that were refused by the VCC board, a direct violation of the VCC Constitution not to mention that the AGM is suppose to be held in April not July. Just an indication of the lack of dedication and respect this volunteer board has towards its own community. If anyone in this situation has acted like a bully its most definitely the VCC Board. "Me" and "Anonymous" sound like those VCC bullies to me. Seeing as these fine folks are not willing to put their names to their claims, I don't see how an intelligent person could give any of their statements validity. I certainly can't and won't! I was there, I know the truth.<br /><br />The VCC is not the savior of the Orioles CC as they would like to claim. They seem to have pocketed the cash that should have gone to OCC for maintenance and programing. From my calculations less than 10% of the allotted OCC funding that's suppose to go into the community centre actually made it there. The rest seems to have been siphoned off to the other two VCC centres. Orioles CC was left with no community programming and a severely neglected building.<br /><br />Over and over again I hear the VCC board patting themselves on the back on how wonderful they are but when asked direct questions as to why they have irregular meetings, lack of communication with residents (Orioles specifically), conduct themselves in a framework of secrecy instead of transparency and not follow their own constitution we are given excuses of "we're a volunteer board" as if that somehow relieves them of responsibility and accountability.<br /><br />As a resident in the Valour area, I'm holding you (VCC) accountable. I will continue to ask questions and I will continue to demand that Orioles CC be treated fairly and that the Orioles community members not be shut out from our own community centre. The VCC is not a private country club and you don't get to decide who can and can't have access.Dominiquenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-11736737507226151742010-09-22T16:36:22.819-05:002010-09-22T16:36:22.819-05:00I wondered how long it would take someone from DMS...I wondered how long it would take someone from DMSMCA to respond, and finally we hear from them. No doubt it wasn't from their leader, butrather one of the misinformed volunteers that work for them. I wouold love to haer what sort of intimidation tactics were used on board members and community members. I would assume that this is either one of two that were on the board of VCC and DMSMCA at the same time creating a conflict of interest that are either the writers of this last blog or it is someone that knows them. If you want to create conspiracy theories then you will have to take it right up to the top since community centres are overseen by the CITY of Winnipeg and have to have a chartered accountant prepare the statements. These accusations are exactly why DMSMCA is no longer welcome at the Orioles Site.It wasn't "Joe Community Member" asking questions at the AGM, it was members of the Bike Cage who have gotten into bed wit DMSMCA and people that sit on their board and do not reside in the VCC area and therefore really had no standing at the meeting other than to create panic.The whole plan was posted on the Bike Cage web site about rallying the troops and getting people elected so that they could run VCC(how did that work out for them?Right, it didn't).As soon it was made public that we new about the Bike Cage postings they mysteriously removed from the site.Too bad that by that time it was already saved to several computers and printed copies were made available. Oh and let's not forget the online petition, that was another feeble attempt at creating panic. Funny how some people felt so strongly that they signed it anonymous or just their first names. And then there was the political people that signed it, wow that is showing how deep the DMSMCA runs in the political world. You are right that all Winnipegers should be concerned, but not with VCC, but with the DMSMCA and their political partners trying to bully a volunteer board. There are lots of groups that VCC deals with every day and they all get along just fine,so you should ask yourself why did this happen with DMSMCA? I'm sure that their $60,000 a year leader would be able to make time to answer some questions since she is so good at communicating, oh wait you will probably have to wait and hear it through their chair of the board of directors since he seems to have to field her questions and emails. I can't wait to hear your response, I'm sure it will have to do with aliens running the VCC and they are after the gold buried deep beneath Orioles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-70641170005827400202010-09-22T14:41:03.044-05:002010-09-22T14:41:03.044-05:00It is interesting to see how Valour is responding ...It is interesting to see how Valour is responding to this. Community members, along with the DMSMCA started asking questions about where the money for Orioles was going and VCC did not like this. If VCC has nothing to hide, they will open up their books and show the community where the money has been going. All Winnipegers should be concerned about how VCC is spending our tax dollars!<br /><br />There is definitely, in my opinion, something fishy going on at VCC...they are using abusive and intimidation tactics with their board members and community who are asking questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-58952810773342086122010-09-20T23:32:20.632-05:002010-09-20T23:32:20.632-05:00P.S. If there is any info about the Orioles site t...P.S. If there is any info about the Orioles site that you want to get out whether it be programming, meetings, calls for volunteers, let me know. I would be happy to blog about it and even drop them off in my neck of the woods - I'm south of Burnell and St. Matthews.<br /><br />cassidy -at- mts.netChristian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-5906918997949730442010-09-20T23:26:38.099-05:002010-09-20T23:26:38.099-05:00Anon re: PUFS delay. That could be the case then. ...Anon re: PUFS delay. That could be the case then. I was working with a group whose plans got gummed up for a couple of years waiting for PUFS and it's aftermath !Christian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-11064388076093019492010-09-20T23:25:06.690-05:002010-09-20T23:25:06.690-05:00...continued (2)
Where I am now you hear and see ......continued (2)<br /><br />Where I am now you hear and see kids out at all hours yet the school (with playing fields and gym) next to me is closed tight after 4 pm Mon-Fri and there's a possibility of less programming at the cc next to me ? That's annoying.<br /><br />Even on the smallest scale, Jacob Penner Park has a paved basketball court ... but no hoops on the backboards, rendering it useless !! I shake my head but know (having worked on both sides) that by the time measly amount of funds would be allocated and the paperwork would wind it's way through the system any kids in the neighbourhood who might make use of it would long be adults.<br /><br />THOSE are things that bug me about rec - community in-fighting, civic bureaucratic hoops or school board 'liability babble'. If people want to argue : "our group is the side of good, there's is the side of evil (and you're one of them !!)". Okay, whatever. It's still community groups puffing chests to me.<br /><br />On a brighter note, mine isn't a bad news blog. It's certainly more positive than it is negative and if good things happen in my little postage stamp I will surely write about them !!<br /><br />ChristianChristian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-20350835629930495882010-09-20T23:23:29.818-05:002010-09-20T23:23:29.818-05:00Thanks 'me'. Yes I'm absolutely taking...Thanks 'me'. Yes I'm absolutely taking a postage stamp area and giving my thoughts on it - I say that right off the top of my post. <br /><br />My bugaboo with youth rec for 20 years, looong before I moved to the west end, is resources sitting idle. I don't care what facility it is or who runs it. <br /><br />For a decade I lived in W.Broadway and saw the neighbourhood centre have its ups and downs (yes, I realize NCs and CCs are different animals). It was frustrating to watch 11 year olds break into cars in front of my place just a block down from a closed neighbourhood centre. At times, lots would go on at the centre but more to do with turf wars among adults and funding games with politicos than providing youth rec (and for the record I am talking back in the 90s).<br /><br />When the city wanted to close Sherbrook Pool I spent a few years volunteering with a group that fundraised to pay for swim lessons and a club for area kids so that they could actually learn to swim, thus be able to make use the pool. Dealing with the city on an asset they would rather be closed was a frustrating experience. <br /><br />...continuedChristian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-42579636042525964082010-09-20T23:22:08.004-05:002010-09-20T23:22:08.004-05:00Thanks 'me'. Yes I'm absolutely taking...Thanks 'me'. Yes I'm absolutely taking a postage stamp area and giving my thoughts on it - I say that right off the top of my post. <br /><br />My bugaboo with youth rec for 20 years, looong before I moved to the west end, is resources sitting idle. I don't care what facility it is or who runs it. <br /><br />For a decade I lived in W.Broadway and saw the neighbourhood centre have its ups and downs (yes, I realize NCs and CCs are different animals). It was frustrating to watch 11 year olds break into cars in front of my place just a block down from a closed neighbourhood centre. At times, lots would go on at the centre but more to do with turf wars among adults and funding games with politicos than providing youth rec (and for the record I am talking back in the 90s).<br /><br />When the city wanted to close Sherbrook Pool I spent a few years volunteering with a group that fundraised to pay for swim lessons and a club for area kids so that they could actually learn to swim, thus be able to make use the pool. Dealing with the city on an asset they would rather be closed was a frustrating experience. <br /><br />Where I am now you hear and see kids out and about at all hours yet the school (with playing fields and gym) next to me is closed tight after 4 pm Mon-Fri and there's a possibility of less programming at the cc next to me ? That's annoying.<br /><br />Even on the smallest scale, Jacob Penner Park has a paved basketball court ... but no hoops on the backboards, rendering it useless !! I shake my head but know (having worked on both sides) that by the time measly amount of funds would be allocated and the paperwork would wind it's way through the system any kids in the neighbourhood who might make use of it would long be adults. <br /><br />THOSE are things that bug me about rec - community in-fighting, civic bureaucratic hoops or school board 'liability babble'. If people want to argue : our group is the side of good, they're the side of evil (and you're one of them !!)". Okay, whatever. It's still community groups puffing chests to me.<br /><br />On a brighter note, mine isn't a bad news blog. It's certainly more positive than it is negative and if good things happen in my little postage stamp I will surely write about them !!<br /><br />ChristianChristian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-33804229515445405232010-09-20T22:09:32.363-05:002010-09-20T22:09:32.363-05:00mrchristian,
I see your blog has resulted in havi...mrchristian,<br /><br />I see your blog has resulted in having some rather passionate comments, some strongly passionate comments, and they seem to be in favor of Valour...<br /><br />I realize your blog was just your thoughts, and I see that you have had to 'defend' your comments, but as you said you aren't really for or against either party. You have only really seen what ever it was that DMSMCA have done, for a small areaa, a postage stamp within the Valour catchment area. Have you actually checked out the bigger part of Valour's catchment? <br /><br />Remember, I am a resident withing the Daniel MacIntyre catchment, but I have heard time and time again, at how hard the Valour Board has been working at trying to make the Orioles Site come alive again.menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-25235602942581123242010-09-20T20:43:28.363-05:002010-09-20T20:43:28.363-05:00I think that the comments were interesting and rou...I think that the comments were interesting and rounded out the original post. That's why I allow public comments even from anons, to get feedback.<br /><br />As to "betting on the wrong horse in this battle" I still refer to my original post as being that of someone who lives close to a community club concerned that a groups doing a lot of stuff out of that club is no longer doing it. I don't see that being an us and them proposition.<br /><br />That is one of the big reasons why community club / student council etc. politics have never really interested me that much. Both sides can dig in with a 'you're on our side or you're against us' mentality. Which, for people without a personal interest or axe to grind for either side, just comes across as, well, petty - for both sides.Christian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-716407892466377250.post-43082652618330051052010-09-20T20:40:19.097-05:002010-09-20T20:40:19.097-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christian Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691310860448400887noreply@blogger.com